tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post6042893155764463068..comments2024-02-14T09:29:11.576-07:00Comments on Michael's Meanderings: The most sought-after photo in Canada.Meandering Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00464355148386507875noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-19165983316100781112009-09-15T17:38:59.195-07:002009-09-15T17:38:59.195-07:00I think that a certain anonymous professional phot...I think that a certain anonymous professional photographer is jealous.A. Starkhttp://www.astarkplace.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-88842864543125902732009-09-13T15:07:47.743-07:002009-09-13T15:07:47.743-07:00It makes a difference because in the world of blog...It makes a difference because in the world of blog etiquette you have a lot more credibility if you give yourself some kind of identity. <br /><br />It also makes a difference because in a small town like Whitehorse, there's a pretty good chance of crossing paths at some point. And that, I assume, is the reason you continue with the anonymous stuff. No decent person would continue these attacks the way you do, and so you stand to lose clients with your petty attitude. (Unless your only client is a newspaper or something. In that case, you're only staining your personal reputation.)<br /><br />As Michael mentioned, we are planning to hire someone to do some family portraits in the near future. If I have the misfortune of calling you for the job, I hope you have the decency to say, "No way in hell will I take you on as clients, because I think you are exploitative, horrible and narcissistic people, and therefore there is no way I could do a good job on capturing you all in a positive light." If you'd at least say if you're a man or a woman, I'd know I could avoid half the photographer community.<br /><br />The real irony in all this is that Michael is completely amused by this whole business. I, on the other hand, am upset every time you post your mean-spirited remarks. That might not bother you, but I don't think I was your original target.Fawnhttp://fawnahareo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-54010005465951111022009-09-13T11:19:30.619-07:002009-09-13T11:19:30.619-07:00Holy Kraft Dinner!
Who said anything about post...Holy Kraft Dinner! <br /><br />Who said anything about posting your IP address? I said USE to identify. It's amazing, really, how much can be gleaned from scant information, even without going to the ISP. You might want to do more research on that.<br /><br />Furthermore, you may not know who Kathleen O is, but I and many of my readers do. At least we're not confusing her with all of the other Anonymouses out there.<br /><br />Besides, don't you have anything better to do?! Join Search and Rescue or something! They could use more help since, in your humble, anonymous opinion, I am not up to the task.Meandering Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00464355148386507875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-75052534124718613022009-09-13T11:00:13.538-07:002009-09-13T11:00:13.538-07:00Just curious. How is posting someones IP supposed...Just curious. How is posting someones IP supposed to be a threat? <br /><br />Sure, those four octets are temporarily bound to the MAC address on a network card but save getting a court order to force an ISP to release the physical name an address of the lease holder at a given time is a a near impossibility. You'd have about as much chance as finding somebody if they gave you the serial number off their toaster oven.<br /><br />Further. Kathleen O. How much more descriptive is 'Kathleen O' than 'anonymous'? I still have no idea who you are.<br /><br />- anonymousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-17500349122073741052009-09-10T05:29:51.308-07:002009-09-10T05:29:51.308-07:00Dear Anonymous...i'm not a professional photog...Dear Anonymous...i'm not a professional photographer, more amature really, but isn't the media in canada bound to have consent from the parents to print photos of children under 18? So given that Michael retracted his photo to all except a reputable Canadian newspaper...in exchange for the possibility to assist another such child in being found in the future...wouldn't that be something commendable? Just because they have the photo doesn't mean they can print it..and Michael has taken great measure not only to remove the photo from the one place where it seems rules lack...he has refused to give it to any other online venue. On top of that the critisim he received from you and some others was AFTER he corrected what he felt was his error. <br /><br />We all are professional photographers...instead of attacking Michael in this situation you could have been smarter and given constructive criticism...but you didn't know all the facts...just because the globe and mail have the photo doesn't mean the have cart blanche's to print it...they are bound by rules. One is they can't print a photo of someone if they subject of the photo is NOT part of the hard news, the second is if the child is under 18 they need the parents permission to run the photo or they can be SUED! get your facts straight before you go spouting your goodwill.<br /><br />To me i think YOU are the one who enjoys attention, maybe you should do more picture taking and less talking.<br /><br />Kathleen O<br />(see how I put my name to my opinion...even with no google or blog account of my own)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-68811083267392531192009-09-09T21:20:04.601-07:002009-09-09T21:20:04.601-07:00"Holy Kraft Dinner" is now, officially, ..."Holy Kraft Dinner" is now, officially, my new favourite exclamation.Meandering Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00464355148386507875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-51229980423400792712009-09-09T20:54:52.933-07:002009-09-09T20:54:52.933-07:00Holy Kraft dinner!
Maybe this is why I do not hav...Holy Kraft dinner!<br /><br />Maybe this is why I do not have a blog, fun as it would be.Indigohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241520391391928993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-47780216732902872722009-09-09T19:55:28.689-07:002009-09-09T19:55:28.689-07:00Trying to be more understanding and better informe...Trying to be more understanding and better informed before judging others is a way to suppress dissent?<br /><br />I can understand where you're coming from and still not agree with you. Far from it, taking the time to try and be informed and to try and understand where someone is coming from goes a long way to improving the level of discourse. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of trolls (an Internet term, not my own) spouting off ill-informed and judgmental opinions.Meandering Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00464355148386507875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-44403925485444189232009-09-09T19:45:05.188-07:002009-09-09T19:45:05.188-07:00Well, that's one way to suppress dissent.Well, that's one way to suppress dissent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-20275031201947328422009-09-09T14:00:52.291-07:002009-09-09T14:00:52.291-07:00Oooh! Oooh! Oooh! I want to take a turn at bein...Oooh! Oooh! Oooh! I want to take a turn at being a judgmental commenter!<br /><br />Anonymous Professional Photographer asked how I would feel if someone were to post pics of my family over which I have no control (because there aren't <i>any</i> of those out there already). Well, I would need more context for a proper response, so I'm just going to be judgmental and assume that Anonymous Professional Photographer is threatening to take pictures of my family and post them on the Internet. Well, you wouldn't be the first, but FOR SHAME!<br /><br />I wonder how Anonymous Professional Photographer would feel if I were to use his/her IP address to identify who they are to the World Wide Web (because the Internet really isn't all that anonymous, after all)? <br /><br />And maybe I should. You see, we've been talking about getting our family portrait updated and I would feel <i>really</i> uncomfortable potentially going to someone who likes to criticize others from a cloak of anonymity.<br /><br />Maybe we should get our portrait done at Wal-Mart instead. Unless, of course, that's where Anonymous Professional Photographer works. Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging the professional photographers who work at Wal-Mart - some of our best family portraits have been taken there. I'm just saying that it's really awkward being all "out there", in the court of public opinion, being held accountable for my actions, and having this discussion with someone who won't hold themselves accountable to the opinions that they so love to share; not to mention their apparent inability to try to understand how things might look from someone else's situation.<br /><br />Wait a minute, now... isn't that what my blog entry was all about? Trying to be more understanding and better informed before judging others?<br /><br />Gee, it's funny how that keeps coming up!Meandering Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00464355148386507875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-52451287735587225172009-09-09T08:00:58.305-07:002009-09-09T08:00:58.305-07:00I must point out that Michael did allow the Globe ...I must point out that Michael did allow the Globe and Mail to run the picture of the mother and child in its national newspaper. This is the issue, not whether it stayed on his blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-61539435689082747732009-09-09T07:45:54.769-07:002009-09-09T07:45:54.769-07:00Micheal- Nothing like an armchair quaterback to si...Micheal- Nothing like an armchair quaterback to sit back and tell you everything you've done wrong! It seems often people are much more interested in critiquing someone who is helping in these situations then in finding out how they can help. <br /> After reading all the comments that have been made, including the one by the child's grandfather, I think that you have the support of the only people that matter in this situation. <br /> Keep you chin up, I don't think you've done anything wrong. <br /> -Pedro's sisterJamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16537469726417580000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-19016542136495024722009-09-09T00:37:23.538-07:002009-09-09T00:37:23.538-07:00I would hope that if anyone posted family pics wit...I would hope that if anyone posted family pics without permission, they would take it down upon request.<br /><br />In this case, there wasn't even a request made by the family before the pic was taken down BY THE BLOGGER'S OWN VOLITION. And the boy's own grandfather sounds way more supportive than some of the pontificating commenters here.<br /><br />What the hell is the goal in continuing this argument? Picture went up -> rethinking happened -> picture came down. This is not rocket science.Rachel Fnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-46105160886186755022009-09-08T23:36:44.786-07:002009-09-08T23:36:44.786-07:00Just curious. How would you feel if someone were ...Just curious. How would you feel if someone were to post pics of your family on a web site that you had no control over?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-76429175880393680272009-09-08T21:04:45.303-07:002009-09-08T21:04:45.303-07:00Anon 19:53, I'm confused. No searching time wa...Anon 19:53, I'm confused. No searching time was lost. The child had been found at that point. <br /><br />I'm also not sure what's "self-serving" about posting the image. This is a personal blog, not a site that sells photos.Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17013847036123410760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-17936679537289485342009-09-08T20:22:47.051-07:002009-09-08T20:22:47.051-07:00Anonymous, this is a personal weblog, where I reco...Anonymous, this is a personal weblog, where I record my travels and experiences, so I guess you're right - posting a photo of a moment that I will always remember fondly was pretty self-serving. <br /><br />And WOW was it ever distasteful to post it. Almost as distasteful as saying negative things about people behind a veil of anonymity. That goodness I didn't do anything to rectify THAT situation.Meandering Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00464355148386507875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-41164223765323419682009-09-08T20:07:52.876-07:002009-09-08T20:07:52.876-07:00Ya, because getting on with the search for the kid...Ya, because getting on with the search for the kid AFTER he's been found makes a whole lot of sense.<br /><br />I'm sure Michael and Fawn are glad to know your personal opinion. I bet they never guessed what it was.<br /><br />WTF, I can't believe this thread hasn't died yet.Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-89904795572964491392009-09-08T19:53:22.116-07:002009-09-08T19:53:22.116-07:00Who cares if people are posting anonymously. If I...Who cares if people are posting anonymously. If I saw you (or your wife) on the street and offered an opinion would it be any less valid because, face to face I know who you are but you have no idea who I am.<br /><br />And for the record I thought you posting the image was self serving and distasteful. Rationalizing your misstep by saying the G and M will send payola to WDSAR amounts to little more than pimping this family's private moment for your own personal moment of glory. God forbid you get on a real search and spend more time snapping pics than using the techniques you are being trained to do.<br /><br />That said. At least the pic is down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-41350319382070290872009-09-08T19:46:18.111-07:002009-09-08T19:46:18.111-07:00Call me Fred, thanks for your comment. The anonym...Call me Fred, thanks for your comment. The anonymous commenter(s) certainly haven't been rude in terms of name-calling, but please let me re-quote the last sentence of this blog entry:<br /><br />"For all website commenters out there: Please try to be more understanding (and better informed) before you judge others."<br /><br />I don't have any problems with informed criticism, even when that criticism is directed towards me. However, I have a problem with people who rush to judgement about people's motivations or actions when they know little (if anything) about that person. Anonymous does that over and over again.<br />That, I find very rude.<br /><br />Sadly, Call me Fred you do it too. I pointed out the Whitehorse Star photo because I was letting "Anonymous" know that it wasn't my photo - lest "Anonymous" rush to judgement. I wasn't suggesting that any "wrongs" were making a "right". When I discovered that the photo was suddenly of interest to more than my small group of readers, I took actions to remove it (you'll note that it isn't in the Globe and Mail either). Anonymous seems to take exception to me having taken the picture at all. Too bad. What went through my mind when I was taking it was "I bet they'd like to have something to remember this moment by." Not "I bet I can sell this to the media."<br /><br />Or, maybe, as Anonymous seems to be suggesting, I joined Search and Rescue with the sole purpose of taking pictures of previously-lost children and getting myself lots and lots of media attention. Yeah, that must be it. That's me, the attention slut. You have me SO pegged.Meandering Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00464355148386507875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-75193853486160086712009-09-08T19:12:20.182-07:002009-09-08T19:12:20.182-07:00I think the anonymous posters have been polite, ev...I think the anonymous posters have been polite, even if they have strong opinions about the ethics and perceived motivations of your actions. Certainly, they're not calling you a "typical mouthy coward", or "anonymous, ill-informed or judgemental". <br /><br />Fawn, it's admirable that you are defending your husband, who you obviously love, respect and appreciate. However, we are having a debate and sharing differences of opinions, not trying to get in the last word. <br /><br />Finally, Michael, two or three wrongs don't make a right. Just because another photographer sold or gave the rights to a newspaper doesn't justify your actions in feeding the beast. But that's just my opinion.Call Me Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-44399281183441418802009-09-08T18:25:32.284-07:002009-09-08T18:25:32.284-07:00Hi Michael - the photo on the front page of the St...Hi Michael - the photo on the front page of the Star is credited to the RCMP. Won't anonymouse have fun with that one.Irisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-74318599144972533812009-09-08T16:42:25.622-07:002009-09-08T16:42:25.622-07:00For the record, the photo in the Whitehorse Star o...For the record, the photo in the Whitehorse Star of the mother and her son (at least online) is not mine.Meandering Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00464355148386507875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-44485562590856398312009-09-08T13:18:59.803-07:002009-09-08T13:18:59.803-07:00Call me crazy, but I'm going to wade into the ...Call me crazy, but I'm going to wade into the fray here. I think Michael has wisely decided there is no point in explaining anything to someone who has already got his/her mind made up to think the worst.<br /><br />1. The "anonymous comments" feature does allow you do input your name, even if you don't have a Google or Open ID account. One of the best things about having a blog is the dialogue that follows a post. It's still up to the individual whether to not be a wiener about making critical comments under the cloak of anonymity.<br /><br />2. Michael didn't explain the title of the post, but "the most sought-after picture in Canada" was actually a comment from a local CBC reporter. We laughed when he said that, not realizing just how true it was. Whoa, slow news weekend!<br /><br />3. We came home from a day out at Lake Laberge and were completely surprised at the media attention. Michael's blog is primarily a friends and family blog, which is something very obvious from the daily stats. <br /><br />When he first put the picture up on his far-from-famous site, the local SAR head had okayed it, and it wasn't with a huge amount of forethought. Later he rethought things and took it down. I think it's obvious that there was a lesson learned. And the lesson was learned before any anonymice (Hee hee! Love it, Megan!) started ripping him apart for "unprofessionalism".<br /><br />4. "Don't you revel in attention just a little?" What a silly question. I won't put words into Michael's mouth, but I do think we both feel the same way about our blogs. Of course I enjoy a little attention -- positive attention, anyway. Just as most people enjoy telling a good joke that makes people laugh, it feels good to share things that make people feel good. But the pictures weren't posted to get media attention; we were both stunned that the situation took on a life of its own.<br /><br />5. Hindsight is 20/20. Yes, it's cliche, but it's true. Have you never made an error in judgment, anonymous commenter? It's very easy for people to say, "it should have been obvious and you should have known better." But the truth is, we had other things going on in our lives and this weekend happened to be a stressful one for our family for other completely unrelated reasons. As a professional photographer, you have had to think about the ins and outs of taking and using pictures. Michael is not a professional photographer (or a professional blogger, for that matter) and this particular issue hasn't come up before.<br /><br />As Michael's wife, I can tell you that he is a wonderful person, a great father, and a credit to the community with the hours of volunteer work he puts in. I'm sure you're happy to take my unbiased opinion on that, right? Are you happy knowing that your anger and self-righteousness sting? (Speaking for myself now.) Can't we simply agree that the picture of mother and child shouldn't be online, and hey, now they're not? There's constructive criticism and then there's the kind of stuff that is just designed to be confrontational. If Michael were afraid of criticism, he could easily turn off his comments... but that's just as bad as not owning up to your opinions.<br /><br />So go ahead now, anonymous, dear. Go ahead and have the last word.Fawnhttp://fawnahareo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-3716140535681576802009-09-08T10:59:23.368-07:002009-09-08T10:59:23.368-07:00If you have a problem with anonymous comments, per...If you have a problem with anonymous comments, perhaps you should disable that feature from your site. Some of us just don't have google or open ID accounts. As a professional photographer, I never take, let alone use, an image of a person without their express permission ESPECIALLY children - whether it's a "truly horrific" or "truly joyous" occasion is moot. It's about respecting people's boundaries and right to privacy. You are not a photojournalist, rather were acting in a volunteer capacity. To attempt to compare your actions to that of a bona fide war correspondent is ludacrious. "most sought after photo in Canada" - says it all to me. Are you sure you don't revel in attention just a little? Your treatment of other matters on your blog seems to indicate otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21596698.post-8361591286337905962009-09-08T09:04:39.703-07:002009-09-08T09:04:39.703-07:00The moral dilemma: Let's say that you were in ...The moral dilemma: Let's say that you were in the right place and the right time and captured <a href="http://shardsofphotography.blogspot.com/2005/09/nick-ut-and-napalm-girl-photo.html" rel="nofollow">an image of a child in a truly horrific situation</a>. Do you share the picture with the world, or do you hide it away, never to share with anyone?<br /><br />Now lets say that you were in the right place and the right time and captured an image of a child at a truly joyous moment. The world is asking to see it. Do you share that joy with the world, or do you hide it away, never to share with anyone?<br /><br />If you'd like to continue this conversation, perhaps you'd like to start using a moniker (or your real name), otherwise I might confuse you for all of the the other anonymous, ill-informed, and judgmental commenters out there. <br /><br />Thank you for helping me to make my point.Meandering Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00464355148386507875noreply@blogger.com